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I've had my lips tattooed for I'd say about a year. Like when they first got tattooed, I was not a permanent makeup artist yet. This was before I was a permanent makeup artist. >> Can I ask you a question? Why did you decide to get lip blush tattoo in the first place? Did you have some type of issue with your lips as they were before? >> Actually, no. But so many many years I found this page where they were doing lip brush. Now in that time it was like very new barely anybody did it and I just fell in love because I don't like wearing makeup but I do like to wear lips but my lips somehow never retained any color which I think is a pretty general problem for any lady. So, I just wanted to keep lip blush and then it's like I kept postponing it and postponing it because it's it can be quite costly if you're not ready. And then eventually I'm like, okay, I'm going to do it. And then I when I got it done and at that moment when I got it done, I didn't know that it's not supposed to look like that. I'm like, well, it doesn't look like other lips I've seen, but maybe it'll improve. And it was just like really purple and very um like with bruises and things. Later I found out that you told me, "Oh no, those are pockets of a lot of ink. Too much ink." Remember? >> I do remember. You came in and you had quite patchy lips and they were dark in some spots and not dark in the other spots. So what I'm thinking may have happened is the pigment was put in and not all of it retained. Some of it was maybe a little bit deeper, more saturated, and then other spots were not, and it kind of fell out, but it left you with like a bruised kind of purpley looking lip. >> Yeah. >> Now, was was the goal with adding that type of color, was it to try to neutralize some pigment that was already put in or was it to try to darken your lips up? >> Yeah. No. So, I asked for a normal peachy color. Now, I'm a permanent makeup artist now. Uh, and I still don't understand what happened or what she tried to do. Obviously, it was the wrong ink for what I was asking for. Um, but I truly think it was just too much in that same spot. So, I just kept going deeper. Maybe the ink had too much uh black in it, too much white in it. And then I went back and I, you know, she tried to fix it, but it just adds more to the mess. >> So I would suggest if something like that happens to anybody like me, don't add more to the problem. You just come and get it lasered off. >> That's what I normally recommend as well, but it's hard because we're in the business of removing tattoos. >> Yeah. >> So when people hear that sometimes they're like, "Oh, you just want to get us in there to >> Absolutely." not get some business. >> It's better to start light and then you can add more, which is what I always tell my clients. It's always better to have like a nice smooth canvas and later you can add more color rather than back too much color in and then there is no way back. So, you got lip blush tattooed and you immediately didn't like it, but you thought, "Okay, I'm going to go back, get a touchup, and hopefully we can correct the problem with this second session." And then after that second session, what happened exactly? Did you go home, look in the mirror, and were you even more disappointed than you were? >> Actually, immediately after it looked like the problem was solved. It looks so pretty, but then eventually that color that was put on top of that purple, it just was gone. >> So, it was a lighter color that was used to hopefully conceal that darker color. >> Yeah, I think so. And then, but eventually that black just kept popping up and now it's like black with yellow, orange, so it's just a big mess. >> I remember you came in with a coral color. >> Yeah. Yeah. And if you put a coral over top of a dark purple or any type of black, it may look good right away. And that's usually what happens in tattooing. It'll look good right away, but over time that darker color will just win. It It just shows through that lighter color. And there's no chance that that light color is going to defeat the darker. >> Yeah. It happens with a lot of artists with brows. They try to do a cover up. It's just not going to stay. It's not going to look good. It's going to look chalky, overdone, oversaturated, and it's going to be really, really, really hard to remove, especially with the yellow underneath. Like you have another podcast talking about the yellow. >> It's like impossible. >> Yeah, it is. So, we know what happened with the color of your lips. >> Now, what about the texture of your lips? Did that change when you got lip blush tattoo as well? >> It did. >> And what happened exactly with your texture? It did. Some my lips used to look ju youthful and more full. I've always >> youthful youthful. >> I think that's Let me translate that into that was your Cuban Cuban English coming through. Uh that would be translated to youthful. >> So you had youth my English. >> That's okay. That's okay. So you had youthful looking lips before. >> Yes. >> And then when you got them tattooed, did it change the texture? >> Yes. So, because they got swollen so so much the first time she tattooed them, they just lost all of the elasticity and instead they just wrinkled and because there was so much ink, it went to the into that chalky heavy I don't even know how to explain it, but it was just like really thick skin. like nothing would make them hydrated, nothing would make them soft until I started getting laser and then that it it was almost like a relief to the lips. I think all that ink was just so heavy that was holding on to the skin of the lips. >> Okay. So, you came in and and let's just kind of let the listeners know the process. So, you came in, we did the consultation, I warned you that, hey, this could turn out worse than what you're coming in with right now. >> That's exactly what you said. >> Yeah. And then did we do a test spot? Normally, I do recommend when people come in with lip blush that we do a test spot. >> Yeah. The one thing about test spots, and I have explained this in previous episodes, is that just because you do a test spot in one area of a tattoo, even if it's an eyebrow or a lip, that doesn't mean that the whole lip was tattooed consistently that way, or the brow. You could do a test spot on the tail of a brow, but that doesn't mean that that same exact pigment is tattooed throughout the entire >> You explained that as well. So, that's where I I always get a little nervous with um permanent makeup removal. Even when you come in, like that situation, yeah, we can do a test spot or even two spots, but that doesn't mean that it's consistently tattooed all the way through. So, it doesn't give you an 100% accurate um kind of test >> result. Yeah, it's true. >> Yeah. So, so you're not going to know what is definitely going to happen. It may give you a good idea, but it doesn't mean that that's definitely going to be the outcome in the entire lip. >> It's true. >> But we did the test spot and everything seemed okay. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, what what we did was you suggested, oh, let's just do one spot and then if everything goes well, I can keep going until everything changes. So, you were very careful, very slow, and then you just kept updating me on what was happening. And thankfully everything went really well. But it it made me very calm that you knew exactly you gave me a lot of information and it was my um like I took the decision on okay let's go ahead with the whole thing.